What, if any, metrics should we use to gauge our effectiveness in ministry? How can we look beyond the things that are seen to perhaps what cannot be seen? Why is it important to focus our attention away from the B’s (budgets, buildings, butts) of ministry? If not those, then what is most important to see the Spirit’s work in your local church?

Brian Croft and Jim Savastio answer these, and many more on this episode of Trench Talk.